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Liberty's Lens's avatar

Come on—saying mass deportation is “impossible” is a dodge. Trump’s already proving the opposite: ICE arrests have doubled, deportations have blown past 200,000, and they’re averaging 500+ removals a day. They’ve even floated military involvement and cash-for-exit schemes. No, they can’t round up 10 million overnight—but pretending this is all talk is willful blindness. The machinery is running, and it’s running hot.

Let's just look at current events:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj07jzgve45o

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Ahnaf Ibn Qais's avatar

Mass deportation isn’t just logistically unfeasible, it’s structurally impossible. Even with “record” numbers, 500 removals a day barely scratches the surface against tens of millions. The U.S. lacks the state capacity, detention space, legal throughput, & sustained political will to scale beyond spectacle. What you see is a pressure valve… symbolic enforcement that appeases a base without ever translating into total expulsions. The machinery isn’t “running hot”; it’s already at its ceiling.

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Liberty's Lens's avatar

You’re right that deporting 10 million people overnight is impossible—but calling this “symbolic” ignores the reality on the ground. Under Obama and Biden, most removals were recent border crossers or Title 42 expulsions—fast, low-complexity cases. That’s why their numbers look huge: they were processing people who had just crossed.

Trump’s second term is different. Border crossings have collapsed because of CECOT-style detention threats and aggressive enforcement, so nearly every deportation now targets long-term residents—people with jobs, families, and deep roots. These cases require investigations, legal proceedings, and detention space, making them far more resource-intensive.

And yet, the scale is staggering:

• 207,000+ deportations by June 2025, on pace for 400,000+ this year—the highest in a decade.

• ICE arrests have doubled, averaging 666 detentions per day.

• Detention capacity expanded by 265% to 116,000 beds, with 444 new state/local enforcement agreements.

• The administration is even deploying military lawyers to immigration courts and offering $1,000 cash + free flights for “self-deportation.”

This isn’t a pressure valve. It’s the system running at full throttle—and raising its ceiling.

Sources:

• BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj07jzgve45o

• Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-immigration-deportations-2025

• NBC News: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-immigration-crackdown-2025

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Ahnaf Ibn Qais's avatar

Even 400,000 deportations a year is just 3–4% of the undocumented population, at massive cost. Targeting long-term residents clogs courts, fills detention, & burns resources. State capacity is finite: you can’t scale machinery built for symbolism into one uprooting tens of millions. This isn’t raising the ceiling… it’s cracking it.

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Liberty's Lens's avatar

These cases are far more resource-intensive, yet the administration is still hitting 207,000+ removals by June and is on pace for 400,000+ this year—the highest in a decade.

And they’re not at the ceiling—they’re raising it:

• ICE arrests doubled, averaging 666 per day.

• Detention capacity expanded 265% to 116,000 beds.

• 444 new state/local enforcement agreements signed.

• Military lawyers deployed to immigration courts.

• “Self-deportation” program offering $1,000 + free flights.

This isn’t symbolic. It’s a structural shift from border churn to deep interior enforcement—something we haven’t seen at this scale in modern history.

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Ahnaf Ibn Qais's avatar

Calling 400,000 removals historic ignores scale: that’s still under 4% of the undocumented population yearly. Targeting interior residents with jobs & families makes cases slower, pricier, & harder to process. Expansion of beds & lawyers doesn’t erase limits on courts, budgets, or political tolerance. The math doesn’t point to mass expulsion; it points to systemic strain.

Also… there’s over 55 million “illegals” overall and per annum migration to 🇺🇸 is around 1 to 2 million (legal & illegal)… the math isn’t there, even with your mythic “400,000+” that le Donald won’t reach… & even if he does, that’s 1.6 million over 4 years… easily overcome by a single year worth of arrivals.

Math matters 😉 having unrealistic naive fantasies doesn’t change the final outcome.

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Liberty's Lens's avatar

One quick correction: 55 million is wildly off. Credible estimates put the undocumented population at 10–12 million (even the highest outliers cap around 18 million).

But the bigger point: enforcement isn’t symbolic—it’s accelerating. Trump is trying to have a go of this. 207,000+ removals by June, ICE arrests doubled, detention capacity up 265%, military lawyers in immigration courts, and cash-for-exit programs. That’s not optics; that’s a system retooled for deep interior enforcement. Given the OBBB, don’t expect 2026 numbers to be the same as 2025, expect at least double. Trump has demonstrated he doesn’t care about due process.

And your math ignores a key fact: new crossings have collapsed. Trump’s deterrence-by-terror approach—CECOT threats, aggressive raids—has frozen inflows. So yes, millions more deportations over the next few years are realistic. And when those are long-term residents with jobs and families, the social and economic impact is enormous. Scale isn’t the only metric. Impact matters.

We’re just talking in circles. Best of luck.

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Brigitte's avatar

“The Modern West is desperately seeking consumers who can buy things.”

My husband was trying to explain this to his 102-year-old grandmother the other day. Whereas in her day the world needed hale and hearty men, the West now needs “consoomers” to keep its ever-inflating money treadmill going. She could not wrap her mind around the idea that the banks no longer *want* everyone to pay their loans on time, etc.

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James's avatar

Your tone is annoyingly smug and sure of yourself as you calm dismiss "conspiracy theories" as being needlessly complicated.

Umm, what? Anyone with a brain and a bit of investigation can look at the individuals and the last names of those who opened the gates of Europe and the Anglosphere. It was most certainly a "conspiracy theory." The West did not need any labour at all. The "labour shortage" myth is a nasty lie perpetuated by those who want third world migration and always has been.

Moreover, it's very easy to mass deport millions / tens of millions, as has been shown by The White Papers. European ethnicities have always been decided by race. And if you bothered to look at prison gangs, who seperate via race because they're the only ones allowed too, you'll see that Europeans would never form ethnicities with mulatto third worlders.

The jews who run the West want a low iq third world underclass who lack the intelligence who overthrow them. Whether the Europeans rise up and throw off this parasite, alongside the third world migrants, remains an open question. But I suspect they very much want, and certainly have the ability, to do both.

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